Bruce Daniels Police
Interview
Note: This transcript has been edited where
asterisks (*) appear on the advice of counsel for the Miller and
Ciraolo families.
TRANSCRIPT OF BRUCE
DAVID DANIELS INTERVIEW
BY OWEN WALTERS AND GAIL EVANS.
APRIL 28th, 2000.
WALTERS: Test, test, 1, 2, 3,
test, test. Mr. DANIELS I've turned on the tape recorder, okay?
DANIELS: Okay.
WALTERS: Okay. Um, Gail, did
you want to put a heading on the tape?
EVANS: Today's date is April
28, 2000, and the time is 0939 hours. We are in the basement of the
********** ****** Law Enforcement Center with Bruce David Daniels. I
am identifying myself as Investigator Gail Evans. Present with me
is, um, Detective Owen Walters.
WALTERS: Okay. Thanks, Gail.
Bruce, are you under any kind of an influence of medication now?
DANIELS: No.
WALTERS: You are not on
medication?
DANIELS: I'm not on medication,
no.
WALTERS: Are you under the
influence in any way at present?
DANIELS: No.
WALTERS: Okay.
WALTERS: Okay, with me is Bruce
Daniels, and at this time I'm getting ready to fill out a rights
for, it's Bruce David Daniels?
DANIELS: Yeah.
WALTERS: Spell your last name
please.
DANIELS: D-A-N-I-E-L-S
WALTERS: And your date of
birth?
DANIELS: */**/**
WALTERS: Address where you
reside.
DANIELS: *** **** **** ******,
************, **, *****
WALTERS: Phone.
DANIELS: **********
WALTERS: And how far did you
get in education?
DANIELS: High school.
WALTERS: Okay, Bruce, this is a
rights form anything that we talk about with someone, we have to
advise them of their rights, and that's all this is, okay?
DANIELS: Okay.
WALTERS: It's got your name
Bruce David Daniels, your date of birth, which is ********* **,
19**, you address and phone number is *** **** **** ******,
************, **, *****, **********, your education you said is 12
years, we are at the ********** ****** Law Enforcement center that's
what this room is, Today's date is April 28th, 2000 and the time is
9:40 A.M. I'm informing you that I'm Detective Owen Walters, and we
are conducting an investigation of the offense of capital murder,
which this is the case of your former wife, Rachel Susan Miller. The
assault we will question you about was committed on or around April
the 13th, 2000, before we ask you any questions you must know and
understand your legal rights, therefore I warn you and advise you
have the right to remain silent, do you understand that?
DANIELS: Yes.
WALTERS: Okay, I need you to
put your initials there, anything you say could be used against you
in court, do you understand that?
DANIELS: Yes.
WALTERS: Okay, you have the
right to talk to a lawyer or advise before we ask you any questions
and to have him or her with you during questioning, do you
understand that?
DANIELS: Yes.
WALTERS: If you can not afford
a lawyer one will be appointed for you before any questioning if you
wish, and at no cost to you, do you understand that?
DANIELS: Yes.
WALTERS: Okay, if you decide to
answer questions now without a lawyer present you still have the
right to stop answering anytime, you understand that?
DANIELS: Yes.
WALTERS: Okay, this bottom
portion is a waiver of rights, basically what this does is allows us
to talk to you, this says I have read this statement of my rights
and I understand what my rights are, that's what this is, I am
willing to make a statement and answer questions, that I do not want
a lawyer at this time, I understand and know what I am doing, no
premises or threatens have been made to me, no pressure force have
been used against me, is that true?
DANIELS: Yeah. I mean, yes.
WALTERS: Okay I need your
signature right there, and then I'll witness it right here.
DANIELS: Okay.
WALTERS: I got to, I got to ask
you point blank, I've got to ask you point blank Bruce, I got to ask
you point blank, did you kill your former wife, Rachel Susan Miller?
DANIELS: No, I did not.
WALTERS: Did you assault your
former wife in a manner that caused her death?
DANIELS: I did not cause her
death, I only lost my temper and assaulted her.
WALTERS: Did you assault and
beat your former wife?
DANIELS: Yes, I did.
WALTERS: Okay, I want to talk
to you about that, okay? I want to hear your recollection of events
on April 13th, okay?
DANIELS: Yeah.
WALTERS: Okay, good. Cause
that's important. I need to know what you know, okay? If I, if you
feel like I'm starting to prompt you or putting words in your mouth,
please tell me. Same goes for Ms. Evans. Are we clear on that?
DANIELS: Oh yeah.
WALTERS: It's very important.
Umm, okay. Let's try to get some background to, uh, lead up to the
events of April 13th, shall we?
DANIELS: Okay.
WALTERS: You were married when?
DANIELS: ******** **, 19**
WALTERS: How old were you when
you married?
DANIELS: Twenty two, I guess.
WALTERS: How old was your wife?
DANIELS: Maybe um, nineteen, I
guess. I'm not sure.
WALTERS: What kind of marriage
did you have?
DANIELS: It was fine.
WALTERS: Fine?
DANIELS: Well, I mean we had
fights and all but who doesn't?
WALTERS: Did these fights ever
get physical?
DANIELS: Sure.
WALTERS: Was the police ever
summoned to your home?
DANIELS: When we were married?
WALTERS: Yes, when you were
married.
DANIELS: Yeah, that bitch kept
accusing me of all sorts of shit.
WALTERS: It says in this report
I have in my hand that the police were called to your residence a
number of times for domestic disturbances and assaults. Is that
true?
DANIELS: Yeah.
WALTERS: Why do you think she
did that?
DANIELS: Because our fights got
violent when she made me mad.
WALTERS: You hit her?
DANIELS: Yeah.
WALTERS: She never pressed
charges did she?
DANIELS: No. She knew better
than that.
WALTERS: Why would you hit her?
DANIELS: Because she was
disrespectful, and never did anything fucking right and she made me
lose my temper all the time.
WALTERS: Okay. I will want to
come back to this at another date all right?
DANIELS: Yeah.
WALTERS: Uh, do you have
children?
DANIELS: Yeah.
WALTERS: How many?
DANIELS: Two. A boy and a girl.
Tyler and Caitlin.
WALTERS: Spell their first
names please?
DANIELS: T-Y-L-E-R and
C-A-I-T-L-I-N.
WALTERS: Were they given your
last name?
DANIELS: Of course they were.
WALTERS: When did you divorce?
DANIELS: 19**.
WALTERS: Remember abouts when
that year?
DANIELS: Around Christmas, I
guess.
WALTERS: Okay. Was it amicable?
DANIELS: I didn't want a damn
divorce.
WALTERS: You contested the
divorce?
DANIELS: Yeah, but it didn't do
no good. She got some fancy lawyer and I never saw her. A judge
sided with her when she was absent. I forget what that's called.
WALTERS: Did that make you mad?
DANIELS: Fuck yeah.
WALTERS: Did you miss her?
DANIELS: Yeah, I wanted to make
it work, you know? I loved her. Things just got out of control I
guess and she took my kids. I had no idea where she ran off to or
why. I provided for her and she took off one night when I came home.
Bags packed, said she was leaving and walked out with the kids. I
figured she would come back like always but she didn't. That was
around her birthday of that year. I told her as she left I would
find her. I told her.
WALTERS: So she left in May,
which is when her birthday is and the divorce came through December
after that? Is that right?
DANIELS: Yeah.
WALTERS: You said 19** this
was?
DANIELS: Yeah.
WALTERS: Why did you tell her
you would find her if she left?
DANIELS: Because I wanted her
to stay.
WALTERS: Why?
DANIELS: Because she was my
wife. I even went to counseling and shit to prove it could work if
she came back and it won't be bad anymore like she said. I had five
years to think about what made her leave. I guess she thought I lost
my temper too much.
WALTERS: Okay. How did you find
her?
DANIELS: On the internet.
WALTERS: Internet?
DANIELS: Yeah. You know,
searches and search companies that do it for you.
WALTERS: How did you do that?
DANIELS: I know her social
security number and maiden name.
WALTERS: And what did you do
with the information you found?
DANIELS: I found her house and
where she worked and what kind of car she had now and stuff. It's
easy. So anyways, I followed her around for a while.
WALTERS: Did she know you were
doing that?
DANIELS: I dunno. She was
looking paranoid but I wasn't sure. Maybe she did, or maybe she
didn't. Couldn't say for sure.
WALTERS: And when did you do
start following her around?
DANIELS: Beginning of this
month, I guess.
WALTERS: How long did you
follow her?
DANIELS: Two weeks at the most.
WALTERS: What was your purpose
for following her?
DANIELS: To fucking talk to
her, man. That's it. Show her I changed. Show her I want my kids.
That I love her and I love my kids. Show her I was sorry.
WALTERS: Okay. So how long did
you hang around the area of her residence and work?
DANIELS: I dunno. Couple a
weeks like I said.
WALTERS: Why so long?
DANIELS: I dunno. Lost my nerve
to talk to her I guess. I knew she wouldn't want to talk to me and I
had to think of how she'd listen.
WALTERS: Did you try to contact
her prior to this?
DANIELS: Yeah, but every time I
found a number or something, to talk to her she'd move or change her
number. I wanted my wife back and I wanted to see my kids.
WALTERS: Did you think to go
through the court system?
DANIELS: Give me a break, man.
A guy always gets shafted. Fathers don't have rights. I thought if I
could find her I could arrange something nicely with her after I
proved myself.
WALTERS: Please just answer my
question. Did you try to go through the courts to see if you, uh,
you can see your kids?
DANIELS: No.
WALTERS: Okay. So you said you
found her home and hung around for a while, is that what you told
me?
DANIELS: Yeah.
WALTERS: Okay. So now what
happens?
DANIELS: Well, I just watched
the house for a while, you know, and like I knew she had an alarm on
the house because I hear the beeps when they leave the house, so I
thought, maybe there's got to be a part of the house that isn't
hooked up.
WALTERS: Was there?
DANIELS: Yeah, under the house,
behind the house is a wood deck. The cat that she stole from me ran
under there when it saw me so I looked under there for it and behind
some piles of dirt was this little window that probably led to the
basement. Nobody thinks about them kind of things.
WALTERS: Then what?
DANIELS: I crawled under the
deck and through the window.
WALTERS: What about the alarm?
DANIELS: (cough) No alarm set
off.
WALTERS: Okay, so you're saying
at this point you are in the home, is that correct?
DANIELS: Uh huh (affirmative).
WALTERS: Where are you in the
home?
DANIELS: Basement.
WALTERS: Then what happened?
DANIELS: I waited. But then I
don't know how long after that I hear the alarm and a few beeps I
guess someone turning off the stupid thing. I waited more and I hear
footsteps all over the fucking house, one room then another then
another. Then I hear a tv on the main floor. That show Friends is on
and I knew it was her cuz she always watched it.
WALTERS: Okay. Go on.
DANIELS: I'm coming up the
stairs from the basement just to talk to her and I trip on a hammer
on the top step and I cursed.
WALTERS: You cursed?
DANIELS: Yeah. Guess she heard
me because I hear silence, then a loud gasp and then running.
WALTERS: Let's back up a
second. What did you do with the hammer you tripped on?
DANIELS: I think I picked it up
and put it in the kitchen on the table.
WALTERS: Okay, so you said you
heard running. Who was running?
DANIELS: Rachel was.
WALTERS: Where did she run to?
DANIELS: I think up stairs.
WALTERS: Okay.
DANIELS: I figure it was up to
the second floor because where I heard the tv there is a stairway to
the right before the living room where the piano was. So I went up
there and looked in all the rooms and didn't see nothing. Then I go
to another bedroom and I see the phone is off that thing it charges
on and she's probably fucking calling the cops or something. I just
wanted to talk to her and I wanted to keep her away from the phone
so when I found nothing, I went toward this closet and heard
wheezing from in there.
WALTERS: Wheezing?
DANIELS: Yeah, Rachel has bad
asthma.
WALTERS: Okay. So you said you
heard wheezing. Then what happened?
DANIELS: Well, she's crouched
in a ball and I'm trying to calm her down cuz I want to just talk to
her but she kept screaming at me to get out and leave her alone and
I just kept saying I wanna talk to you. Then she moves her hands up
by her face. She kept saying for me not to kill her and I kept
telling her I wasn't I just wanted to fucking talk but she kept
repeating it and repeating it. I kept telling her I love her and I
asked her flat out if she loves me and she said no. She said she
loves that guy, I forget his name and that she loves him. She
wouldn't say she still loves me and that's all I wanted to fucking
hear.
WALTERS:
Okay..(inaudible)..so--
DANIELS: I welled up with anger
and I dragged her out of the closet. I was getting pissed off that
she didn't respect me enough to talk to me face to face she had to
like be on a closet floor. And the more she screamed and squirmed
the stronger I had to hold her. I kept saying tell me you love me,
damn it tell me you love me. We can work it out but you gotta listen
to me damn it.
WALTERS: Okay. So what did she
do now?
DANIELS: She was crying.
WALTERS: All right, um, and
then you had some, well, let's get back to the crying. When did she
start crying?
DANIELS: Oh I don't know, I
suppose before I found her there in the closet. I don't know.
WALTERS: Before?
DANIELS: Hmm hmm (affirmative).
WALTERS: Okay, that's accurate?
The tape can't hear you shake your head.
DANIELS: Oh yeah.
WALTERS: Okay, great, thanks.
Umm, did you threaten her?
DANIELS: No, I think it was
just a, no, I don't know what it was. Just, ``Shut up and listen
damn it,'' or something.
WALTERS: Okay.
DANIELS: Or, ``Let me just talk
to you,'' or something like that.
WALTERS: Okay. Can you remember
what she said when you said something along the lines of you wanted
to talk to her?
DANIELS: Yeah, hmm hmm
(affirmative). ``Why are you doing this, and-''
WALTERS: Yeah, so she
questioned your, your actions?
DANIELS: Yeah.
WALTERS: Okay, did you ever
answer that question?
DANIELS: Not really. Not, no. I
mean I wanted to talk to her. But she knew that.
WALTERS: Okay, because umm, it,
it, it-
DANIELS: Don't make no sense.
WALTERS: Yeah. Umm so you went
there not intending to kill her?
DANIELS: I don't know. No, I
just wanted to talk to her. I did not kill her. I hurt her, yes, but
I swear I did not kill her.
WALTERS: Okay. This is why we
are asking you questions and clarifying your answers, to find out
what happened.
DANIELS: I don't know. I umm-
WALTERS: Okay. So-
DANIELS: Yeah, that's really, I
don't know, it's kinda mind-boggling. I don't know what to say.
WALTERS: All right. Okay. Umm,
if you think of it, don't be bashful, just-
DANIELS: Okay.
WALTERS: -you know, jump right
in and let us know. Uh, so you're in the house, you tell her to shut
up, and you, and you don't, you just, you don't remember exactly
what was said there, Okay. Umm, but did you threaten to harm her, or
uh, what happened there?
DANIELS: No, yeah, it could
have been stronger. Yeah, it was probably just a, just, ``Don't move
and shut the fuck up and listen-''
WALTERS: Okay. Did you tell her
that if she cooperated she wouldn't get hurt? Now I know I'm putting
words in your mouth-
DANIELS: No, I-
WALTERS: -but did you ever say
that?
DANIELS: No, I didn't.
WALTERS: Okay, all right. So
she asked you why you were doing this?
DANIELS: Yeah.
WALTERS: Okay, what did you
tell her?
DANIELS: I said I just wanted
to talk to her.
WALTERS: And um, do you
remember if Rachel responded to you? Did she say anything to you?
DANIELS: Umm, something like,
``Please don't do this'' or something.
WALTERS: Okay, was she saying
it or was she yelling it?
DANIELS: She raised her voice
but didn't yell it.
WALTERS: Okay. Wa-, was she
fighting you at this time?
DANIELS: Yeah, she was tryin'.
And I kept wailing on her to make her stop but she wouldn't.
WALTERS: Tell me what you mean
by wailing.
DANIELS: I kept punching her
with my fists a bunch of times.
WALTERS: Where did you punch
her?
DANIELS: Her head, face around
that area.
WALTERS: Okay. Could you tell
how she felt?
DANIELS: Oh yeah.
WALTERS: Was there something in
her voice that led you to believe how she felt?
DANIELS: Well yeah.
WALTERS: How do you think she
felt?
DANIELS: Oh scared, I'm sure.
I'm sure.
WALTERS: Okay, so you said you
dragged her out of the closet-
DANIELS: Yeah. Then I got her
to the bed and I was trying to get her clothes off--
WALTERS: Why did you do that?
DANIELS: To make love to my
wife. I know she still loved me and if she didn't want to say it she
could show me.
WALTERS: I see. So what was she
doing now?
DANIELS: She was squirming and
scratching at me and shit.
WALTERS: Now we noticed some
scratches on your arms and face when you were booked. Did that have
anything to do with this?
DANIELS: Oh, I dunno, maybe.
WALTERS: Okay.
DANIELS: Maybe not, I dunno.
WALTERS: You, um, are aware
that the scrapings from under her fingernails we got have been sent
to the crime lab and we expect the results soon?
DANIELS: Yeah.
WALTERS: All right. Um, so you
said that she was squirming and scratching at you?
DANIELS: Yeah. She kept fucking
squirming so I found some neckties on a pile of laundry and reached
down with one hand and held her down by putting my knee on her neck
and the other one on her stomach and tied her hands together. She
kept trying to say shit and the more she talked the more pissed off
I got.
WALTERS: What was she saying?
DANIELS: I don't know, my knee
was on her neck and it muffled her a little. Just a couple stuff I
heard clear.
WALTERS: Like what?
DANIELS: Just shit man, I
dunno. She wanted me to stop, she's married now, shit like that.
WALTERS: So now what happens?
DANIELS: I think I choked her
now.
WALTERS: Okay, can you explain
how you choked her?
DANIELS: Oh from the front, I
just started choking her. You know, to shut her up.
WALTERS: From the front? Okay.
So where were you and where was she at this, ah, point?
DANIELS: She was on her back on
the bed and I was on top of her choking her.
WALTERS: Now did, now how did
you do that, with your hands or with your arm or, ah, did you use a
tool of any kind?
DANIELS: No, I used an
electrical cord.
WALTERS: An electrical cord
from what?
DANIELS: A lamp.
WALTERS: Okay. And what was she
doing while you were choking her?
DANIELS: Mmm ... was kicking I
think or something.
WALTERS: Kicking? Was she
trying to kick you?
DANIELS: Yeah.
WALTERS: She was. So she was
trying to get free of you?
DANIELS: Right.
WALTERS: Is that why we found
bruises on your body when we booked you, because she kicked you?
DANIELS: Yeah.
WALTERS: Okay. So what happens
now?
DANIELS: Well, I held the cord
around her neck for I don't know how long, half a minute, I guess. I
was so mad I didn't realize my own strength. All this blood was
spouting from her neck so I let it go.
WALTERS: So you released the
cord when you saw how much blood you drew. Is that right?
DANIELS: Yeah. (cough) Then I
stuffed a sock in her mouth to shut her up and she still wouldn't
keep still and tried to kick me and shit so I tied her feet too.
WALTERS: With what?
DANIELS: Her own shoe laces on
her shoes.
WALTERS: Do you remember what
kind of shoe laces?
DANIELS: Nah.
WALTERS: So now what did you
do?
DANIELS: I made love to her.
WALTERS: So you're saying at
this point that you had sexual intercourse with Rachel?
DANIELS: I made love to her.
WALTERS: I see. So now what
happened?
DANIELS: She still wouldn't
fucking say she loved me so I smacked her.
WALTERS: What do you mean by
smacked?
DANIELS: I hit her.
WALTERS: Where did you strike
her?
DANIELS: Everywhere.
WALTERS: Specifically, please.
For the record.
DANIELS: Face, stomach, head.
Other places I guess.
WALTERS: What did you strike
her with?
DANIELS: My fists.
WALTERS: Was she still bound
with the neckties and shoelaces?
DANIELS: Yeah.
WALTERS: Okay. Then what?
DANIELS: I dunno man, I just
lost it. I couldn't stop. I kept hitting her and hitting her and she
kept bleeding and I didn't give a fuck what she said anymore. She
made me so fucking mad and I had five years of pent up rage that she
left a good marriage and took my kids.
WALTERS: Okay. So where are you
in the home now, are you in the bedroom still?
DANIELS: Most of the time, most
of that was on the bed after I made love to her and then she got
knocked off the bed and part of it was in the doorway. When I was
hitting her and kicking her she ended up near the door.
WALTERS: What is your estimate
of the length from the bed to the bedroom door?
DANIELS: I dunno. Maybe fifteen
feet or so.
WALTERS: You said fifteen?
DANIELS: Yeah.
WALTERS: Let me get this right.
You estimate you hit her and kicked her for a length of fifteen
feet?
DANIELS: Yeah.
WALTERS: Okay, so you are at
the doorway now in the bedroom. That leads to where?
DANIELS: The hallway.
WALTERS: So what happens at
this point?
DANIELS: She sort of inched
away using her stomach and arms sort of like army guy style so I hit
her a few times more and pushed her down the stairs when we got
there.
WALTERS: Where did she land?
DANIELS: I don't follow.
WALTERS: I mean, did she fall
the entire length or part way, or what?
DANIELS: Oh, most of the way,
except two steps or something like that. She landed on her side.
WALTERS: Which side?
DANIELS: Right, I think.
WALTERS: Okay. Now what?
DANIELS: Part of her back was
exposed from her shirt coming up and I bit her.
WALTERS: You bit her on the
back?
DANIELS: Yeah on her back near
her side.
WALTERS: Why did you bite her?
DANIELS: I dunno why. I was
mad, I guess.
WALTERS: Then what did you do?
DANIELS: The phone rang and it
was that new husband guy saying he'd be late coming home.
WALTERS: How do you know that?
DANIELS: Machine volume was all
the way up.
WALTERS: Okay, so what happens
after the phone rang?
DANIELS: (cough) Um, I think I
took her into the family room at the bottom of the steps.
WALTERS: To the right or the
left of the stairs?
DANIELS: Left.
WALTERS: Okay.
DANIELS: So like when you go in
there is a couch so I picked her up by her waist and threw her on it
and made love to her again.
WALTERS: You made love to her
again?
DANIELS: Yeah because I saw all
the blood and I felt bad she made me do that because she wouldn't
say she loved me or give me my kids so to let her know I was sorry,
I made love to her real nice, real loving you know?
WALTERS: Okay. Was she still
bound hands and feet?
DANIELS: Yeah, the whole time.
WALTERS: Okay.
DANIELS: But she kept crying so
I kept hitting her in her mouth to shut her the hell up. When I hit
her she fell off the couch but couldn't go anywhere because she was
tied up so she did that army guy style thing again. So I grab and
drag her into the next room which was the kitchen and she's still
crying and trying to talk but all this blood kept coming out of her
mouth instead and I said are you trying to tell me you love me and
she kept spitting blood, she wouldn't nod or nothing so I grab a
wrench near the sink and pounded on her head--
WALTERS: Where on the head?
DANIELS: The back.
WALTERS: How many times?
DANIELS: I dunno. A few times
maybe.
WALTERS: Then what?
DANIELS: She stopped making
noises after I hit her a few times, so I stand her up and lean her
against the fridge and smashed the back of her head where I hit her
with the wrench into the fridge till I got tired. Blood was fucking
everywhere man. I was like holy shit, how much blood do people got
in them?
WALTERS: Okay. Did you stop at
that point? When you got tired?
DANIELS: Yeah.
WALTERS: What happens now?
DANIELS: Um, I don't know if it
was just out of guilt or something or whatever, feeling stupid she
made me do that to her but I stopped and she slumped to the floor.
WALTERS: Okay. Any idea of the
amount of time-frame that's involved there? Remember at all?
DANIELS: Ah, no I think ah, ah,
hour maybe from the time I found her upstairs. Maybe hour and a
half. Not sure.
WALTERS: Okay. Okay, after that
you stop, what do you do?
DANIELS: The phone rang.
WALTERS: Do you know who it
was?
DANIELS: Yeah, the volume was
up on the answering machine. I forget his name but the husband guy
called again said he was gonna leave and be home in an hour, hour
and a half depending on traffic and that he loves her.
WALTERS: Okay, so now what
happens?
DANIELS: Well, she made a noise
from her throat and kept shaking her head no. I kept telling her to
shut the fuck up but she kept making those annoying sounds in her
throat and she kept trying to wiggle away again so I dragged her to
the other steps which was where I came from when I came up to talk
to her and saw that hammer I dropped on the table so I take that and
hit her in the chest and the metal part broke off. Then I see a
screwdriver and I put it up to her neck but I lost my nerve. So she
was just laying there.
WALTERS: So wait, with the
screwdriver, were you intending to kill her, harm her, what?
DANIELS: No, I was mad at the
husband guy so I put it down. I had thoughts of killing him though
because he stole my wife. Thought came and went quick.
WALTERS: You thought about
killing Kurt Miller, her husband?
DANIELS: Yeah, for a second or
so maybe. It was just that anger took over and I wasn't thinking
good.
WALTERS: Were you going to wait
for him to come home or what was your plan?
DANIELS: I dunno. It was a
fleeting thought, I guess.
WALTER: Okay. So did you leave
or what happened then?
DANIELS: No. I stayed still. I
felt bad again so I made love to her again but all this blood was
coming from her vagina so I stopped.
WALTERS: Did you know that
Rachel was pregnant?
DANIELS: Huh?
WALTERS: Did you know that
Rachel was pregnant?
DANIELS: No shit?
WALTERS: Did you know she was
pregnant, yes or no?
DANIELS: I thought she was
lying.
WALTERS: Okay. So what happens
now?
DANIELS: Nothing. I left. I
couldn't look at her anymore and I figure if this new guy she got
came home and I was there, I better get a fucking good start.
WALTERS: You left to go where?
DANIELS: Anywhere. Home. I
dunno. I didn't think that far. I got in my car and drove Route **
to go home.
WALTERS: What kind of vehicle
do you own?
DANIELS: **** ****** *******.
WALTERS: What color?
DANIELS: Like a dark bluish,
grayish color.
WALTERS: That was the vehicle
we found you in at the time of your arrest?
DANIELS: Yeah.
WALTERS: What were you going to
do when you got to where you were going if we hadn't found you?
DANIELS: I didn't know.
WALTERS: It's a long drive back
isn't it?
DANIELS: Yeah, but I had to go
far away because I ain't dumb man. Nobody would believe me that I
went to just fucking talk to her and that I just lost my temper. I
found out when I got arrested in these parts that she died for some
reason.
WALTERS: No idea why?
DANIELS: Dude, it wasn't me.
She was alive breathing and making noise when I left. She was alive
man, I'm telling you. I didn't kill her.
WALTERS: I see. Gail, have you
any questions for Mr. Daniels here? I think I'm finished here.
EVANS: Yes, I do. Mr. Daniels,
are you comfortable, would you like a drink of water or something?
DANIELS: No.
EVANS: I understand. (laugh)
Um, anyway, basically it's just, ah, some sort of detail questions,
okay, and of course, ah, I do appreciate your cooperation and I, I,
ah, I can't tell you how much, we appreciate, and I know that the,
the, ah, Rachel's family's going to be really thankful that, that
you did this, um, and I, I, and I, I really believe that, y-your
family will probably be very grateful as well, OK? I know that may
sound like bull to you, but-
DANIELS: Something like that.
EVANS: I, I, I mean it.
DANIELS: I know.
EVANS: Ah, okay, so, ah-
DANIELS: Basically I think they
are hating my guts too.
EVANS: Um, all right. Um, now I
understand from what you just told us that, ah, that you wanted
simply to talk to your ex wife. Is that right?
DANIELS: Yeah, just to talk.
EVANS: But she didn't want to
talk to you, is that, ah, right?
DANIELS: Right.
EVANS: So, ah, let me, ah, get
this right. You broke into her house to just talk to her and no
other reason?
DANIELS: Yeah.
EVANS: What was your need to
talk to her? You were divorced, a judge saw grounds to do so, so why
not, ah, just let it, ah, go?
DANIELS: So what, she can't
fucking take time to hear me say I was sorry and I love her and I
felt bad?
EVANS: I see. Mr. Daniels, Well
let me ask you this. I told you that my purpose was to ask detail
questions. Now, do you remember how you were dressed that night? I
know sounds like a dumb question, but some-we have to ask obvious
questions sometimes-
DANIELS: Well
EVANS: -for the record.
DANIELS: I-I had some, some
jeans on.
EVANS: Okay.
DANIELS: Shoes.
EVANS: What kind of shoes?
DANIELS: Oh sneakers.
EVANS: They were sneakers?
DANIELS: Yeah.
EVANS: Do you remember what
make they were?
DANIELS: Yeah, they were
(cough) Nike brand.
EVANS: Okay, now what, do you
remember what your, um, your, your shirt was?
DANIELS: I had a blue and white
striped shirt, button down.
EVANS: OK. Like a dress shirt,
buttons, collar, or what?
DANIELS: Yeah, dress shirt.
EVANS: Okay. Um, tell me about
your, ah, family. Mother and father alive?
DANIELS: Yeah.
EVANS: Brothers and sisters?
DANIELS: Yeah, I got a brother
and two sisters.
EVANS: And you said you have
two children, right?
DANIELS: Yeah.
EVANS: Mr. Daniels, have you
told anybody else what you've told us here today? Does anybody
outside this room know what, what we know about, um, you, assaulting
Rachel-
DANIELS: No.
EVANS: No family, friends?
DANIELS: No.
EVANS: So you told no one
before you talked to us here about what you did to Rachel and that
she died? Nobody?
DANIELS: I didn't kill her so
why would I tell anyone that?
EVANS: Mr. Daniels, have you
shared this information with anybody- that you, ah, assaulted or
injured her on April 13 of this year, or haven't you?
DANIELS: No I didn't.
EVANS: Did you share with
anyone that she died two days ago?
DANIELS: No, I only found out
when I got arrested. That's what I've been trying to tell you
people. She was not dead when I left so that means I did not kill
her. Lock me up for beating her up because I lost my temper but I
didn't kill her so I did not murder her and won't tell anyone that.
You, family, friends, nobody. Okay? I didn't fucking kill her.
EVANS: Okay, Mr. Daniels. I
hear you and it is on record as you saying you did not kill her. I
understand.
DANIELS: Good.
EVANS: Last, ah, question,
about, ah, family, friends, ah, did you have any accomplices?
DANIELS: No.
EVANS: This is, this is going
sound like a dumb question, but I have to ask. Umm, cause in some
ways it sounds like you didn't work too hard to cover your tracks
after assaulting her. Were you, were you worried about being found
out by the police at all? Or did you just put it out of your mind
that you had just hurt your ex-wife?
DANIELS: I don't know.
EVANS: That wasn't a challenge,
I'm just really curious.
DANIELS: I, I don't know.
EVANS: Okay. All right. Okay.
Don't know? Can't say?
DANIELS: I don't know what to
say. You know, I really don't know.
EVANS: Okay. Sure. And, and,
like I said, none of my questions are meant to be challenging,
because there's really two things going on here to be quite honest
with you, okay? Umm, I've spent the last 20 years taking confessions
when people are cooperative, and the other thing that happens during
a, a confession with someone like yourself, is school is in session.
Okay. You know what I mean?
DANIELS: Yeah.
EVANS: Okay, I'm learning from
you. All right? Um, and so, that, a lot of my questions about why
you think about certain things, or um, or what were you thinking at
certain times, uh, will help me do my job, all right? If you can
answer-
DANIELS: Yeah.
EVANS: -truthfully, Okay?
DANIELS: No, I under-, no, I'm
here to answer and I'm doing okay with it-
EVANS: Okay good.
DANIELS: I don't know what I
can tell ya. I- didn't kill her. I should be guilty of hurting her
but she was alive that whole time and I know it can be backed up
that she was with evidence.
EVANS: All right, Okay. Well,
if you think of the answers later on. You know, if you think more
about this and if you think of the answers later on, I'd still want
to know what you have to say on the matter and what you remember.
DANIELS: Okay.
EVANS: I really would. And uh,
and I can't think of a whole lot else that I need to ask you. Maybe
Detective Walters has some more ideas?
WALTERS: Umm, I have no further
questions for him.
EVANS: I don't either.
WALTERS: All right. This tape
is entered, is, uh, ending at 2 in-
EVANS: Oh, wait, hold on,
before you shut off the tape, Is the anything you want say that you
think is important to make it into the record?
DANIELS: No, except what I have
been telling you. I did not kill her so I shouldn't be charged with
murder. Only assault. I didn't kill her.
WALTERS: All right. We have
that on record here. Is there anything else you would like to add
right now?
DANIELS: No.
EVANS: You have the right Mr.
Daniels to add anything at a future date.
DANIELS: I know.
WALTERS: I'm finished. Gail?
EVANS: I'm done too. And the
time is 1456 and the tape is being turned off.
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